Merz Antique Firearms ~ Catalog of Old Guns and Related Items
The Model 1885 was Winchester's first single shot rifle. It was available in two frame sizes, commonly called "Low Wall" and "High Wall." The small Low Wall frame was primarily used for smaller caliber ammunition, and the larger High Wall frame was primarily for larger calibers. The Model 1885 was considered the hot rod rifle of its day. Every serious shooter had a different secret formula that he thought would give him an edge over the competition, resulting in hundreds of variations for the collector today. It was available in 5 different weights of barrel, marked 1 thru 5 on the underside of the barrel, just forward of the forearm. One popular variation of the Winchester '85 is a 22 caliber musket, which was a military training rifle, known as the Winder Musket.
W1629 WINCHESTER HIGH WALL RIFLE
Item # W1629
Scarce cal 50-95 WCF. Just over 100 were made according to Factory records. This one features the scarce thick side frame. Orig 30" #3 bbl. Platinum lined rear sight. Wood has a few minor handling mars but still retains most orig varnish and rifle style buttplate. These all had shotgun butts and English proof markings. Fine cond at about 50% orig blue. A couple minor areas of pitting by the receiver. Receiver has about 30-40% case color showing. Vivid on one side and turning dark on the other.
Antique $ 7,750.
W1517 WINCHESTER 1885 WALL HANGER
Item # W1517
This poor old low wall has had a rough life and looks it. Stock is broken at the wrist with some chunks of wood missing. Surprising the stock still hangs on. Forearm has dings and gouges. Rusting frame but still some blue peaking out. Bbl has blue between the rust and in poor cond. It does have good markings. Cal 22 L. I can't tell you how the bore is as I can't see through it. Must be a spider nest or something in there. Action does not work properly. This would be a good den or bar hanger...oops, can't have guns in bars. All joking aside, it would make a good wall hanger or possibly a parts gun.
Antique $ 375 sale pending.
W1631 WINCHESTER US MARKED WINDER MUSKET
Item # W1631
Standard configuration Winder musket in 22 S. Orig side mounted sight which is correct. Nice rifle in good overall cond. About 70% receiver blue. Worn on upper tang to an aged brown. Behind the hammer is the US marking with the flaming bomb. Bbl also has a lot of blue with some wear towards the muzzle mostly on the left side. Looking at the bore cond which is near excellent and the stock it is obvious this gun has seen very little use. Sighting the condition and the US marking, this gun would make a very good collectable.
Modern $ 1,375.
W1632 WINCHESTER HIGH WALL MUSKET
Item # W1632
Cal 22 LR. This is the second model variety with the one bbl band and fatter Winder style musket wood. Real nice cond rifle with nearly all bbl blue remaining. Receiver has about 70% blue on the left and 50% on the right with nice smooth metal but some flaking to the finish. Orig ladder rear sight and standard front sight. Bore is VG+. Wood is exceptional with just a few light handling marks. A good usable gun or a fine collectable.
Modern $ 1,795.
WINCHESTER HIGH WALL CALIBER 22LR MUSKET
Item # 4230
Excellent bore. Original sights include the adjustable swivel rear bbl sight. Original musket style wood is in VG condition with just a few mars and dings. Sound and solid with no splits or cracks. Original varnish still intact. Original sling swivels still attached. VG throughout with about 90% blue starting to tone on bbl. Receiver having a high nickel content has flaked and is mostly a plum/brown. Sharp markings. Crisp tight action. Excellent inside and out.
Modern $ 1,975.
W1633 WINCHESTER HIGH WALL MUSKET
Item # W1633
Cal 22 LR. This is the earlier 2-band variation. A good looking rifle with 80-90% thinning blue on the receiver. Bbl also has most blue. Inside is just as good with a nice bright shiny bore. Equipped with orig Winchester ladder style musket sight and standard post front sight. Nice fitting buttstock in VG cond. No cracks or losses to woodd. There is a couple of dings to the forearm but overall VG also. An orig military 1907 sling is installed on the gun. A nice piece!
Modern $ 2,175.
W1628 1885 LOW WALL
Item # W1628
This Winchester is chambered in 22 WCF. Some case colors remain on the frame but are quite dim. The balance is an antilque brown. Oct bbl has aging blue with light freckling. Good markings. Bore is a bit dirty and may benefit from a good cleaning. Overall cond at least good. Wood shows quite a bit of use but fits very well and is sound.
Antique $ 1,295.
W1493 DELUXE WINCHESTER 1885 HIGH WALL IN CALIBER 30 US
Item # W1493
Orig 30" full round #3 bbl. Globe front sight. Typical flat top sporting rear sight and folding Lyman tang sight. This gun is fitted with 3X grade checkered deluxe walnut stock and a cheek piece and rifle style buttplate. Stock seems over-sized. Assembly number matches the lower tang numbers so I believe it to be orig. The Factory Letter lists all the features except it has plain pistol grip checkered stock with hard rubber buttplate. Either an error or it was returned to the factory and fitted with this stock. Definitely matches the rest of the gun. Bbl retains about 90% somewhat toning orig blue. Receiver has 90%+ vivid case color. Excellent mechanics. Nice clean little gun!
Antique $ 9,500.
W1515 *ONE OF* WINCHESTER LOW WALL
Item # W1515
Extremely rare would not even touch this gun as only one 1885 was built in this caliber. Cal Ex Long 38 RF. This info comes from the survey of cartridges for the 1885 that was compiled by William Porter. Low wall with a #2 oct bbl. An early gun in the 4k serial range. Overall cond is good. Receiver does still have some case color showing but most has turned an aged brown/grey. Nice smooth metal. Bbl has some blue remaining with some aging and thinning in spots. Nice markings. Bore is shiny. Good rifling. A couple of moderate pits towards the chamber and some roughness. Overall bore would be good to VG. Nice solid action. Butt stock is VG with typical usage marks. Forearm is nice fitting with one hairline crack. No wood missing. If you are an 85 collector this would be the one for you. Winchester Letter confirms configuration.
Antique $ 5,500 sale pending.
W1516 RARE WINCHESTER LOW WALL
Item # W1516
Cal 22 EX long. There were only 310 1885's made in this caliber. This LW has an oct bbl and set trigger. Receiver is mostly brown with nice smooth metal. Quite a bit of aging blue remains on the bbl. Bbl is equipped with standard sights. Bore is VG with good strong rifling and no pitting. Some scattered light roughness. Wood matches the rest of the gun being in relatively good cond but does show its age. This rare gun comes with a research form and a bunch of hand written notes that make for interesting reading.
Antique $ 1,550 sale pending.
W1518 WINCHESTER 1885 HIGH WALL
Item # W1518
The 1885 came in a lot of calibers. Some were strange and rare such as this one in caliber 38 EX. There were not many made in this caliber. 30" #3 oct bbl. Good cond gun with most blue and is turning. Bore is VG+. Good rifling right down to the chamber. No pitting. A little light roughness which could be leading and may clean up to near excellent. Receiver, which was originally case colored, has now aged into the normal silver color with some case color still evident. Front globe sight. Winchester semi-buckhorn bbl sight with later style sight elevator. Very nice Vernier tang sight. Gun has a working single set trigger. Wood is above normal cond with no bad dings or gouges. No cracks or losses. A good eye apealing gun that would fit into anyone's collection.
Antique $ 4,975 sale pending.
W1520 RARE 1885 HIGH WALL
Item # W1520
This HW is in cal 40-90 Ballard. Just over 100 high walls were chambered in this caliber. Equipped with a 30" #3 oct bbl. Bbl cond is VG with 75%+ blue. One spot of flaking on the right side and a couple other light spots. Nice markings. Another plus is the VG+ bore. Orig case color frame still shows most case colors but have dimmed. Right side has the most color. Bbl is equipped with a brass blade front sight, standard rear sight and vernier tang sight. Butt stock is nice cond with good fit to frame and tangs. Forearm is also VG+. This gun has what every collector seeks, rareity and condition.
Antique $ 6,500.
W1239 WINCHESTER HI-WALL TAKE DOWN
Item # W1239-24-96
Cal 33 WCF. Features a half oct 34" No.3 bbl with an excellent bore. Correct front sight. Rear sight has been filled in and is barely visible. Correct tang sight. Wood is in excellent cond with near all orig varnish and rifle style butt plate. Overall metal is excellent with what appears to be a very professional re-finish. Gun is in the 110k serial range. I believe it to be made up of parts out of the factory that were left over. The 33 WCF that will letter is unheard of. A very interesting unique gun for someone who doesn't have a 33. Take down frame. Clean sharp good looking gun overall.
Antique $ 4,950.
6600 WINCHESTER 1885 DELUXE ENGRAVED SCHUETZEN RIFLE IN .25-20 SS
Item # 6600-24-85
One of the fanciest High Wall's I've ever seen. Fully matted 1/2 octagon barrel, engraved with a Big Horn Sheep on one side and a deer on the other in Factory pattern 6. Stocks are carved in style D; complete with cheek piece and helm butt, double set Schuetzen triggers, folding tang, vernier peep and Windage front sights; scope blocks fitted with a Winchester A-5 scope. Factory Letter specifies that the hammer is engraved; this is the only gun I've ever seen where the hammer spur is removed and the back of the hammer is rounded and engraved. Platinum barrel bands at the front and the rear of the barrel. All the features on this gun are verified with the Factory Letter. Overall superb with 98%+ bright shiny original blue, excellent case colors on hammer and lever; original wood is excellent+; all original oil finish. Truly a fantastic gun; hard to improve upon. Complete with J. Ulrich signature on lower tang.
Antique $ 85,000.
6921 FACTORY ENGRAVED POPE BARRELED SCHUETZEN RIFLE IN 32-40
Item # 6921-23-261
With carved stocks and gold gilted frame; This gun is pictured on the cover of the Winchester Single Shot book by John Campbell and is talked about quite extensively in the text. Campbell refers to it as the finest Single Shot ever made. Engraved quite profusely on the upper bridge, top tang, lever, hammer, block, buttplate and bbl. Tang sight, two gold gilted levers, fitted with a Malcolm scope and accompanied with a complete shooting kit with all the accessories. 30 #5 full oct bbl, Caliber 32-40. Gun is in absolutely unbelievable condition with vivid bright gold gilt on the frame, all bbl blue
Antique $ 125,000.
6922 FACTORY ENGRAVED SCHUETZEN TAKE DOWN HIGH WALL RIFLE IN CALIBER 22 SHORT
Item # 6922-23-256
2-barrel set. Fitted in it's original leg of mutton case. Engraved with a bear on one side and a big horn sheep on the other. Features gold lines on the buttplate, back of the receiver, bottom of receiver, lever, take down extension on both bbls as well as on the bbls themselves. Fitted with an A-5 scope and a palm rest made for a left hand shooter. Overall condition is spectacular with 98%+ vivid bright blue, case hardened parts retain vivid case colors. Absolutely unbelievable set. This set is referred to numerous times in Campbell's Winchester Single Shot book. One of a kind.
Antique $ 125,000.
5166 INTERESTING 1885 LOW WALL WINCHESTER FACTORY TEST RIFLE
Item # 5166-24-91
Used as an ammunition testing rifle at the factory. 22 SHORT caliber, 23-1/2 round #1 barrel is hand-stamped "3-19-38." Of course bore has seen a lot of use, but it is still bright. No provisions for a forearm, has marks on stock and metal consistent with being clamped down to a bench. 90% blue on left side of frame, right side is 75% blue with wear marks, barrel has 80% blue with localized wear patterns. Rifle buttplate. Would make an interesting display piece for the low wall or ammo collector. Factory letter states it was shipped in 1901, then repaired and returned in 1908, 1909 and 1910.
Modern $ 1,950.
WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 HIGH WALL CHAMBERED FOR THE RARELY ENCOUNTERED 40-70 BALLARD
Item # 3618-24-86
Original 30 full octagon #3 barrell, original sights, VG shootable bore-just a few light scattered pits. Original wood is sound with no split or cracks and retains a fair amount of varnish. Overall metal has turned basically a plum brown patina coloration with traces of blue, the balance turned an untouched brown patina. All original, very early serial number range. Scarce Caliber-just over 300 40-70 Ballards were ever manufactured.
Antique $ 3,250.
W1086 WINCHESTER 1885 HIGH WALL
Item # W1086-24-81
Scarce 50-95 WCF cal. There were just a little over 100 of these manufactured according to the factory records. This one features a 30" full round #3 bbl, 3-leaf express rear sight and typical express front sight. Wood shows some light usage with a few mars and dings but sound and solid with most orig varnish. Rifle style buttplate. Bbl retains 50-60% thinning blue starting to plum. The thick side receiver retains about 30-40% case colors thinning and turning a silver color. Nice sharp gun complete with Factory Letter.
Antique $ 9,500 sale pending.
W5370 ONE OF A KIND WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 HIGH WALL MUSKET IN CALIBER .32-40
Item # W5370-24-76
The only known. Original 30" musket style barrel, full length musket forearm, cleaning rod, sporting buckhorn rear & blade front sights. Original wood excellent+, sling swivels; all original finish, vivid case colors on BP. Overall excellent+ retaining virtually all original blue & vivid c.c. on hammer & lever. Guaranteed all original; Factory Letter detailing the fact that it's a musket, the caliber, barrel length, sporting rear, Lyman rear & tang sights. Tang sight missing. Excellent+ in & out. A great gun.
Antique $ 9,500.
7217 WINCHESTER LOW WALL RIFLE IN .25 WCF
Item # 7217-24-67
VG+ bore, full octagon #2 barrel, correct sights including a folding tang, original wood is in VG condition. Overall gun is very near excellent retaining 90% original blue which is thinning on the barrel, vivid case colors on the receiver. Sharp little gun.
Antique $ 3,950.
WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 HIGH WALL RIFLE
Item # W41-24-89
.38 EX Caliber. 30" full round #3 bbl, very near fine bright shiny bore with very few light pits, sharp rifling, 98% lustrous bbl blue, considerable case colors visible on receiver and lever-balance is fading and dimming. Sights include combo front, platinum lined 3-leaf rear and Lyman tang; rifle BP, with excellent wood.
Antique $ 5,750.
WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 HIGH WALL
Item # W458 -24-77
Scarce 50 express cal. Original No. 3 full round 30" bbl. Express Lyman marked front sight as well as 3-leaf express rear bbl sight. Original wood in generally good condition with a considerable amount of varnish remaining and a rifle style buttplate. Receiver has turned a mostly plum/brown patina with 50% bbl blue starting to turn. Nice all original gun. Correct but not in the range for a Letter.
Antique $ 8,500.
VERY FINE WINCHESTER DELUXE HIGH WALL SCHUTZEN RIFLE
Item # W165-24-88
Scarce cal 22 LR. Original 28 half oct # 3 bbl. Shutzen double set trigger. Checkered stock in the Schutzen pattern. Was originally configured with no rear sight seat as well as no front sight. Someone has added a dovetail in front and put an adjustable front sight that looks definitely factory on it. Also has a folding tang sight, fitted with Winchester style scope blocks and a Stevens scope. Apparently it came from the factory with scope blocks because there were no other sights noted. Extremely fine condition with most all original varnish on the extra fancy Dlx grade checkered wood. A minimal amount of minor mars. With full helm style buttplate. Bbl retains about 99% bright blue with an excellent bore. Receiver has virtually all blue on one side and flaked and turned brown on the upper 1/4" of the frame and maybe 1/2" out on the top of the receiver. Complete with vivid case colors on hammer and lever. The Letter also mentions a spur finger lever and Shutzen double set trigger. FINE little gun!
Modern $ 9,850.
RARE POPE BARRELED WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 HIGH WALL SCHUETZEN RIFLE IN .38-55
Item # 6470-24-95
30 part octagon #4 barrel, excellent left hand twist Pope rifling, Stevens-Pope marked barrel (original caliber on bottom flat along with # '1900'; 'H M Pope' also marked on left barrel flat), barrel fit with Unertl type scope blocks and Lyman Junior target spot scope. 95% lustrous blue overall, Winchester helm style pistol grip checkered deluxe buttstock with cheekpiece and nickeled helm buttplate, checkered deluxe forearm with tuning fork palm rest. Fine walnut retains most all lacquer, double set triggers with custom finger grip scroll lever, Spirit level Windage globe front and vernier tang sights. Great looking gun.
Antique $ 16,500.
W42A WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 DELUXE SCHUETZEN RIFLE
Item # W42A-24-90
Caliber .22 Short. Original 28" #3 full octagon bbl, with vernier folding tang sight, excellent bore. Original 3X grade pistol grip checkered Schuetzen style stock is in excellent condition with most orig lacquer intact, helm buttplate and Dutch pattern cheekpiece. Overall gun is exc with 98% orig bbl blue, 75-80% bright vivid case colors. The Schuetzen rifles with a case colored frame are really quite unusual, they're generally later guns than that; complete with Factory Letter of Authenticity which states, 'no rear sight seat' but this has got a sight dovetail for a rear sight-probably an oversight or somebody put it in at a later time. If that's the case, they did a perfect job. Formerly in the Eldon Owens collection.
Antique $ 12,500 .
W24 WINCHESTER HIGH WALL RIFLE IN 44-40
Item # W24-24-92
Original 30 round #3 barrel. Nice bore with light pitting and strong rifling. 50% barrel blue, turning a plum blue color, and 70% receiver blue. Dockendorff crosshair front sight, Buckhorn rear sight. Rifle-style buttplate, near-excellent wood with pleasing grain, possibly has been freshened lightly. 111XXX serial number. Crisp action.
Modern $ 3,975.
1885 LOW WALL WINCHESTER RIFLE IN 25 CALIBER STEVENS
Item # W39-24-82
24" full octagon #1 bbl with an exc bore, originally was 22L. Interesting marking on bbl says "Rebored and Rifled by J. Stevens A&T Co." Barrel was factory reblued at that time and retains 95% heavy blue. Orig wood has a few light handling mars but is in generally near excellent with most orig varnish. Rifle style buttplate retains a considerable amount of case colors. Nice, clean, unique little gun complete with Lyman blade front and a very scarce series 62 folding Lyman tang sights.
Antique $ 2,975.
WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 HIGH WALL IN CALIBER 32-20
Item # 8673-24-84
Special order 34 full oct #3 bbl, VG+ shootable bore, correct sights include Beaches folding front, Lyman folding tang and Lyman 2-leaf flip up bbl sights. Orig wood is in very fine cond with nickel plated Swiss buttplate. Overall metal is very nice as well with 95% toning rec blue and 75-80% bbl blue starting to plum out a bit. Still a nice, clean, all orig little gun with the exception of somebody having put a dovetail on the bottom side of the bbl 3" from the muzzle for a shooting weight-very professional job and does not negatively affect the value of the gun.
Modern $ 4,750.
VERY UNIQUE SMOOTH BORE WINCHESTER HIGH WALL, 2-BARREL SET
Item # 8551-23-275
Featuring a 26 20 Gauge shotgun bbl and a 30" .38-55 Smooth Bore bbl. This set is photographed in John Campbell's second Winchester Single Shot book and is the only set that I know of that is comprised of two different shot cartridge bbls. Overall gun is in exc cond with the 38-55 bbl retaining 98% bright shiny orig blue and an exc bore. The 20 Gauge bbl has a few very minor frecklings from bad storage but still retains almost all the blue with an exc bore. Matching wood on the two forearms and buttstock are in exc cond with a very few light handling mars; complete with correct shotgun style buttplate. Receiver finish is probably about 75% with some flaking and toning on one side but still crisp and sharp with no signs of pits. Guaranteed all orig. 113,XXX serial number range-too high to get a Letter but on close examination by taking it apart, the inside work numbers match on both barrels.
Antique $ 16,500.
8274 WINCHESTER BRITISH PROOFED LOW-WALL RIFLE IN 22 LONG RIFLE CALIBER
Item # 8274-24-78
Approximately 90% bbl blue, some thinning at the muzzle end, nice shiny receiver blue with about 90% remaining as well, good fitting wood, Swiss buttplate, forearm has two very small holes where somebody probably had a palm rest. Sights include Globe front, standard rear and tang, bore is in good cond although there is some roughness. This evidently was somebody's Sunday afternoon target gun. Well cared for, nice gun.
Modern $ 3,100.