Merz Antique Firearms ~ Catalog of Old Guns and Related Items
The Model 1885 was Winchester's first single shot rifle. It was available in two frame sizes, commonly called "Low Wall" and "High Wall." The small Low Wall frame was primarily used for smaller caliber ammunition, and the larger High Wall frame was primarily for larger calibers. The Model 1885 was considered the hot rod rifle of its day. Every serious shooter had a different secret formula that he thought would give him an edge over the competition, resulting in hundreds of variations for the collector today. It was available in 5 different weights of barrel, marked 1 thru 5 on the underside of the barrel, just forward of the forearm. One popular variation of the Winchester '85 is a 22 caliber musket, which was a military training rifle, known as the Winder Musket.
W1579 RARE WINCHESTER 1885 HIGH WALL TAKE DOWN
Item # W1579
This TD version of a HW is in 303 British cal which is rare chambering in a Winchester 85. This gun is also equipped with a set trigger. A special order rifle as confirmed by the Cody Research Form. Ordered with a tang sight and flip front globe. Overall gun is in VG cond with 70%+ blue on the receiver. Bbl has nearly all blue with a few wear spots and slightly thinning. Wood is also in VG cond. Nice fitting. No cracks or losses. The 303 British would be a great cal in a 85 and you would be one of the very few to have one since there were only somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 made in this caliber. A good collectable that would grace any 1885 collection.
Modern $ 6,650.
W1575 RARE THICK SIDE 1885 HIGH WALL
Item # W1575
Nice early gun in the 2500 serial range. Thick side frame as stated with oct receiver bridge. This is a 32" bbl musket in desirable 45-70 cal. Had been cleaned years ago. All metal is grey, nice, smooth and with good markings. Orig musket sights. VG+ bore with strong rifling right down to the chamber. Wood is way above average being VG+ cond. Comes with what looks to be an orig Springfield sling. This fine Winchester comes from the famed Yearout Collection and has a Winchester Letter addressed to him. Also some hand typed info on the gun and high walls in general. A nice piece!
Antique $ 3,850.
W160 WINCHESTER 1885 WINDER MUSKET
Item # W160
A decent looking Winder musket in 22 short. Orig 28" bbl has nearly all the blue. A little wear towards the muzzle. VG bore. Orig receiver mounted Winder sight has been removed and a high wall musket sight has been added to the bbl. Receiver has very nice blue at about 60% on the right hand side and about 40-50% on the left. Very nice front wood. Butt stock is also in VG cond. A small sliver out by the upper tang. These were good guns and still would be very usable today.
Modern $ 795.
W18A WINCHESTER 1885 LOW WALL
Item # W18A
26" oct bbl. Cal 32 long RF. A good looking rifle with most blue remaining on both bbl and receiver. Gun also has very nice case colors on the hammer and lever. Wood is just as nice. Bore is bright and shiny with good rifling. A good looking Winchester!
Modern $ 2,695.
RARE POPE BARRELED WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 HIGH WALL SCHUETZEN RIFLE IN .38-55
Item # 6470-25-98
30 part octagon #4 barrel, excellent left hand twist Pope rifling, Stevens-Pope marked barrel (original caliber on bottom flat along with # '1900'; 'H M Pope' also marked on left barrel flat), barrel fit with Unertl type scope blocks and Lyman Junior target spot scope. 95% lustrous blue overall, Winchester helm style pistol grip checkered deluxe buttstock with cheekpiece and nickeled helm buttplate, checkered deluxe forearm with tuning fork palm rest. Fine walnut retains most all lacquer, double set triggers with custom finger grip scroll lever, Spirit level Windage globe front and vernier tang sights. Great looking gun.
Antique $ 16,500.
VERY FINE WINCHESTER DELUXE HIGH WALL SCHUTZEN RIFLE
Item # W165-25-96
Scarce cal 22 LR. Original 28 half oct # 3 bbl. Shutzen double set trigger. Checkered stock in the Schutzen pattern. Was originally configured with no rear sight seat as well as no front sight. Someone has added a dovetail in front and put an adjustable front sight that looks definitely factory on it. Also has a folding tang sight, fitted with Winchester style scope blocks and a Stevens scope. Apparently it came from the factory with scope blocks because there were no other sights noted. Extremely fine condition with most all original varnish on the extra fancy Dlx grade checkered wood. A minimal amount of minor mars. With full helm style buttplate. Bbl retains about 99% bright blue with an excellent bore. Receiver has virtually all blue on one side and flaked and turned brown on the upper 1/4" of the frame and maybe 1/2" out on the top of the receiver. Complete with vivid case colors on hammer and lever. The Letter also mentions a spur finger lever and Shutzen double set trigger. FINE little gun!
Modern $ 9,850.
W1502 WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 LOW WALL RIFLE
Item # W1502 -25-75
Cal 32 RF short. 26" full round No. 1 bbl. Excellent bore. Sights include Lyman front, typical sporting rear and a folding Lyman tang sight. Wood is excellent with nearly all orig varnish and only minor handling mars. Rifle style buttplate. Overall metal is excellent with 98% orig bright glossy blue and 98% vivid case colors remaining. Beautiful little gun! Complete with Cody Research form.
Antique $ 4,100.
W1495 VERY RARE WINCHESTER HIGH WALL IN EXTREMELY SCARCE CALIBER 405 WCF
Item # W1495 -25-72
Beautiful little gun! It was orig ordered in 50-110 express with 26" oct and #5 bbl. Plain trigger. No rear seat. Returned to the factory 4-16-09 and refitted with 24" full round bbl #3-1/2 weight which all the 405's were. Orig wood in excellent cond with most orig lacquer. Hard rubber shotgun style buttplate. Overall gun is excellent+ cond with 98% bright vivid glossy blue and vivid case colors on the hammer and lever. Flat top sporting rear sight. Lyman ivory bead front sight and high wall folding Lyman tang sight. Mint bore. I've known about this gun for over 40 years as it was owned locally by Dwight Marshall who found it and sold it 40 years ago. It had been in the family for many years. The only 405 I have ever handled and actually seen. A very scarce gun!
Modern $ 14,500 sale pending.
W1492 WINCHESTER HIGH WALL IN EXTREMELY SCARCE 236 US NAVY CARTRIDGE
Item # W1492-25-76
30" #1-1/2 rapid taper full round bbl. Wrapped blade front sight. Typical buckhorn rear sight. Wood is in VG cond with most orig varnish. Rifle style buttplate. Overall gun in beautiful cond with 97% bright sparkly bbl blue. Receiver has about 95% vivid case colors. Excellent little gun that is extremely hard to find. There was less than a dozen made I guess. Complete with Factory Letter. The only US Navy I have heard of.
Antique $ 15,000.
W1494 WINCHESTER MODEL 1895 HIGH WALL RIFLE
Item # W1494-25-74
Cal 32 Ideal. This gun originally left the factory as rifle, 32 Ideal, 30" half oct, #3 bbl, plain trigger, checkered pistol grip stock and shipped March 2, 1907. The gun now features a 30" full round #3 bbl. Take down frame. Double set triggers. Checkered pistol grip plain walnut stock. Special order rifle buttplate with a trapdoor. Fitted with a scope. It has the "WP" marks in front of the blocks. The cal marking is off to the side of the block and was factory applied no doubt. It is fitted with a B-4 Winchester scope. Globe with a spirit level front sight. Folding tang sight. Fine little gun! All the work is definitely factory. Scarce cal as only 230 were ever manufactured. Cond excellent+ with about 98% glossy blue. Excellent case colors on the hammer and lever. Someone neatly carved "1907" in the stock about 1/4" lettering. That was the date the gun was received back from the Winchester re-work. On the opposite side is a well done carved family crest.
Antique $ 11,500.
W1629 WINCHESTER HIGH WALL RIFLE
Item # W1629 -25-71
Scarce cal 50-95 WCF. Just over 100 were made according to Factory records. This one features the scarce thick side frame. Orig 30" #3 bbl. Platinum lined rear sight. Wood has a few minor handling mars but still retains most orig varnish and rifle style buttplate. These all had shotgun butts and English proof markings. Fine cond at about 50% orig blue. A couple minor areas of pitting by the receiver. Receiver has about 30-40% case color showing. Vivid on one side and turning dark on the other.
Antique $ 7,750 sale pending.
W1631 WINCHESTER US MARKED WINDER MUSKET
Item # W1631 -25-79
Standard configuration Winder musket in 22 S. Orig side mounted sight which is correct. Nice rifle in good overall cond. About 70% receiver blue. Worn on upper tang to an aged brown. Behind the hammer is the US marking with the flaming bomb. Bbl also has a lot of blue with some wear towards the muzzle mostly on the left side. Looking at the bore cond which is near excellent and the stock it is obvious this gun has seen very little use. Sighting the condition and the US marking, this gun would make a very good collectable.
Modern $ 1,375.
W1632 WINCHESTER HIGH WALL MUSKET
Item # W1632 -25-80
Cal 22 LR. This is the second model variety with the one bbl band and fatter Winder style musket wood. Real nice cond rifle with nearly all bbl blue remaining. Receiver has about 70% blue on the left and 50% on the right with nice smooth metal but some flaking to the finish. Orig ladder rear sight and standard front sight. Bore is VG+. Wood is exceptional with just a few light handling marks. A good usable gun or a fine collectable.
Modern $ 1,795.
WINCHESTER HIGH WALL CALIBER 22LR MUSKET
Item # 4230-25-93
Excellent bore. Original sights include the adjustable swivel rear bbl sight. Original musket style wood is in VG condition with just a few mars and dings. Sound and solid with no splits or cracks. Original varnish still intact. Original sling swivels still attached. VG throughout with about 90% blue starting to tone on bbl. Receiver having a high nickel content has flaked and is mostly a plum/brown. Sharp markings. Crisp tight action. Excellent inside and out.
Modern $ 1,975.
W1633 WINCHESTER HIGH WALL MUSKET
Item # W1633 -25-81
Cal 22 LR. This is the earlier 2-band variation. A good looking rifle with 80-90% thinning blue on the receiver. Bbl also has most blue. Inside is just as good with a nice bright shiny bore. Equipped with orig Winchester ladder style musket sight and standard post front sight. Nice fitting buttstock in VG cond. No cracks or losses to woodd. There is a couple of dings to the forearm but overall VG also. An orig military 1907 sling is installed on the gun. A nice piece!
Modern $ 2,175.
W1628 1885 LOW WALL
Item # W1628 -25-78
This Winchester is chambered in 22 WCF. Some case colors remain on the frame but are quite dim. The balance is an antilque brown. Oct bbl has aging blue with light freckling. Good markings. Bore is a bit dirty and may benefit from a good cleaning. Overall cond at least good. Wood shows quite a bit of use but fits very well and is sound.
Antique $ 1,295.
W1493 DELUXE WINCHESTER 1885 HIGH WALL IN CALIBER 30 US
Item # W1493 -25-89
Orig 30" full round #3 bbl. Globe front sight. Typical flat top sporting rear sight and folding Lyman tang sight. This gun is fitted with 3X grade checkered deluxe walnut stock and a cheek piece and rifle style buttplate. Stock seems over-sized. Assembly number matches the lower tang numbers so I believe it to be orig. The Factory Letter lists all the features except it has plain pistol grip checkered stock with hard rubber buttplate. Either an error or it was returned to the factory and fitted with this stock. Definitely matches the rest of the gun. Bbl retains about 90% somewhat toning orig blue. Receiver has 90%+ vivid case color. Excellent mechanics. Nice clean little gun!
Antique $ 9,500.
W1515 *ONE OF* WINCHESTER LOW WALL
Item # W1515
Extremely rare would not even touch this gun as only one 1885 was built in this caliber. Cal Ex Long 38 RF. This info comes from the survey of cartridges for the 1885 that was compiled by William Porter. Low wall with a #2 oct bbl. An early gun in the 4k serial range. Overall cond is good. Receiver does still have some case color showing but most has turned an aged brown/grey. Nice smooth metal. Bbl has some blue remaining with some aging and thinning in spots. Nice markings. Bore is shiny. Good rifling. A couple of moderate pits towards the chamber and some roughness. Overall bore would be good to VG. Nice solid action. Butt stock is VG with typical usage marks. Forearm is nice fitting with one hairline crack. No wood missing. If you are an 85 collector this would be the one for you. Winchester Letter confirms configuration.
Antique $ 5,500 sale pending.
W1520 RARE 1885 HIGH WALL
Item # W1520 -25-84
This HW is in cal 40-90 Ballard. Just over 100 high walls were chambered in this caliber. Equipped with a 30" #3 oct bbl. Bbl cond is VG with 75%+ blue. One spot of flaking on the right side and a couple other light spots. Nice markings. Another plus is the VG+ bore. Orig case color frame still shows most case colors but have dimmed. Right side has the most color. Bbl is equipped with a brass blade front sight, standard rear sight and vernier tang sight. Butt stock is nice cond with good fit to frame and tangs. Forearm is also VG+. This gun has what every collector seeks, rareity and condition.
Antique $ 6,500.
W1239 WINCHESTER HI-WALL TAKE DOWN
Item # W1239-25-100
Cal 33 WCF. Features a half oct 34" No.3 bbl with an excellent bore. Correct front sight. Rear sight has been filled in and is barely visible. Correct tang sight. Wood is in excellent cond with near all orig varnish and rifle style butt plate. Overall metal is excellent with what appears to be a very professional re-finish. Gun is in the 110k serial range. I believe it to be made up of parts out of the factory that were left over. The 33 WCF that will letter is unheard of. A very interesting unique gun for someone who doesn't have a 33. Take down frame. Clean sharp good looking gun overall.
Modern $ 4,950.
6600 WINCHESTER 1885 DELUXE ENGRAVED SCHUETZEN RIFLE IN .25-20 SS
Item # 6600-24-85
One of the fanciest High Wall's I've ever seen. Fully matted 1/2 octagon barrel, engraved with a Big Horn Sheep on one side and a deer on the other in Factory pattern 6. Stocks are carved in style D; complete with cheek piece and helm butt, double set Schuetzen triggers, folding tang, vernier peep and Windage front sights; scope blocks fitted with a Winchester A-5 scope. Factory Letter specifies that the hammer is engraved; this is the only gun I've ever seen where the hammer spur is removed and the back of the hammer is rounded and engraved. Platinum barrel bands at the front and the rear of the barrel. All the features on this gun are verified with the Factory Letter. Overall superb with 98%+ bright shiny original blue, excellent case colors on hammer and lever; original wood is excellent+; all original oil finish. Truly a fantastic gun; hard to improve upon. Complete with J. Ulrich signature on lower tang.
Antique $ 85,000.
5166 INTERESTING 1885 LOW WALL WINCHESTER FACTORY TEST RIFLE
Item # 5166-25-97
Used as an ammunition testing rifle at the factory. 22 SHORT caliber, 23-1/2 round #1 barrel is hand-stamped "3-19-38." Of course bore has seen a lot of use, but it is still bright. No provisions for a forearm, has marks on stock and metal consistent with being clamped down to a bench. 90% blue on left side of frame, right side is 75% blue with wear marks, barrel has 80% blue with localized wear patterns. Rifle buttplate. Would make an interesting display piece for the low wall or ammo collector. Factory letter states it was shipped in 1901, then repaired and returned in 1908, 1909 and 1910.
Modern $ 1,950.
WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 HIGH WALL CHAMBERED FOR THE RARELY ENCOUNTERED 40-70 BALLARD
Item # 3618-25-99
Original 30 full octagon #3 barrell, original sights, VG shootable bore-just a few light scattered pits. Original wood is sound with no split or cracks and retains a fair amount of varnish. Overall metal has turned basically a plum brown patina coloration with traces of blue, the balance turned an untouched brown patina. All original, very early serial number range. Scarce Caliber-just over 300 40-70 Ballards were ever manufactured.
Antique $ 3,250.
W5370 ONE OF A KIND WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 HIGH WALL MUSKET IN CALIBER .32-40
Item # W5370-25-82
The only known. Original 30" musket style barrel, full length musket forearm, cleaning rod, sporting buckhorn rear & blade front sights. Original wood excellent+, sling swivels; all original finish, vivid case colors on BP. Overall excellent+ retaining virtually all original blue & vivid c.c. on hammer & lever. Guaranteed all original; Factory Letter detailing the fact that it's a musket, the caliber, barrel length, sporting rear, Lyman rear & tang sights. Tang sight missing. Excellent+ in & out. A great gun.
Modern $ 9,500.
7217 WINCHESTER LOW WALL RIFLE IN .25 WCF
Item # 7217-25-91
VG+ bore, full octagon #2 barrel, correct sights including a folding tang, original wood is in VG condition. Overall gun is very near excellent retaining 90% original blue which is thinning on the barrel, vivid case colors on the receiver. Sharp little gun.
Antique $ 3,950.
WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 HIGH WALL RIFLE
Item # W41-25-85
.38 EX Caliber. 30" full round #3 bbl, very near fine bright shiny bore with very few light pits, sharp rifling, 98% lustrous bbl blue, considerable case colors visible on receiver and lever-balance is fading and dimming. Sights include combo front, platinum lined 3-leaf rear and Lyman tang; rifle BP, with excellent wood.
Antique $ 5,750.
WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 HIGH WALL
Item # W458 -25-83
Scarce 50 express cal. Original No. 3 full round 30" bbl. Express Lyman marked front sight as well as 3-leaf express rear bbl sight. Original wood in generally good condition with a considerable amount of varnish remaining and a rifle style buttplate. Receiver has turned a mostly plum/brown patina with 50% bbl blue starting to turn. Nice all original gun. Correct but not in the range for a Letter.
Antique $ 8,500.
W42A WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 DELUXE SCHUETZEN RIFLE
Item # W42A-25-87
Caliber .22 Short. Original 28" #3 full octagon bbl, with vernier folding tang sight, excellent bore. Original 3X grade pistol grip checkered Schuetzen style stock is in excellent condition with most orig lacquer intact, helm buttplate and Dutch pattern cheekpiece. Overall gun is exc with 98% orig bbl blue, 75-80% bright vivid case colors. The Schuetzen rifles with a case colored frame are really quite unusual, they're generally later guns than that; complete with Factory Letter of Authenticity which states, 'no rear sight seat' but this has got a sight dovetail for a rear sight-probably an oversight or somebody put it in at a later time. If that's the case, they did a perfect job. Formerly in the Eldon Owens collection.
Antique $ 12,500 .
W24 WINCHESTER HIGH WALL RIFLE IN 44-40
Item # W24-25-86
Original 30 round #3 barrel. Nice bore with light pitting and strong rifling. 50% barrel blue, turning a plum blue color, and 70% receiver blue. Dockendorff crosshair front sight, Buckhorn rear sight. Rifle-style buttplate, near-excellent wood with pleasing grain, possibly has been freshened lightly. 111XXX serial number. Crisp action.
Modern $ 3,975.
1885 LOW WALL WINCHESTER RIFLE IN 25 CALIBER STEVENS
Item # W39-25-94
24" full octagon #1 bbl with an exc bore, originally was 22L. Interesting marking on bbl says "Rebored and Rifled by J. Stevens A&T Co." Barrel was factory reblued at that time and retains 95% heavy blue. Orig wood has a few light handling mars but is in generally near excellent with most orig varnish. Rifle style buttplate retains a considerable amount of case colors. Nice, clean, unique little gun complete with Lyman blade front and a very scarce series 62 folding Lyman tang sights.
Antique $ 2,975.
WINCHESTER MODEL 1885 HIGH WALL IN CALIBER 32-20
Item # 8673-25-95
Special order 34 full oct #3 bbl, VG+ shootable bore, correct sights include Beaches folding front, Lyman folding tang and Lyman 2-leaf flip up bbl sights. Orig wood is in very fine cond with nickel plated Swiss buttplate. Overall metal is very nice as well with 95% toning rec blue and 75-80% bbl blue starting to plum out a bit. Still a nice, clean, all orig little gun with the exception of somebody having put a dovetail on the bottom side of the bbl 3" from the muzzle for a shooting weight-very professional job and does not negatively affect the value of the gun.
Modern $ 4,750 sale pending.
VERY UNIQUE SMOOTH BORE WINCHESTER HIGH WALL, 2-BARREL SET
Item # 8551-25-90
Featuring a 26 20 Gauge shotgun bbl and a 30" .38-55 Smooth Bore bbl. This set is photographed in John Campbell's second Winchester Single Shot book and is the only set that I know of that is comprised of two different shot cartridge bbls. Overall gun is in exc cond with the 38-55 bbl retaining 98% bright shiny orig blue and an exc bore. The 20 Gauge bbl has a few very minor frecklings from bad storage but still retains almost all the blue with an exc bore. Matching wood on the two forearms and buttstock are in exc cond with a very few light handling mars; complete with correct shotgun style buttplate. Receiver finish is probably about 75% with some flaking and toning on one side but still crisp and sharp with no signs of pits. Guaranteed all orig. 113,XXX serial number range-too high to get a Letter but on close examination by taking it apart, the inside work numbers match on both barrels.
Modern $ 16,500.
8274 WINCHESTER BRITISH PROOFED LOW-WALL RIFLE IN 22 LONG RIFLE CALIBER
Item # 8274-25-88
Approximately 90% bbl blue, some thinning at the muzzle end, nice shiny receiver blue with about 90% remaining as well, good fitting wood, Swiss buttplate, forearm has two very small holes where somebody probably had a palm rest. Sights include Globe front, standard rear and tang, bore is in good cond although there is some roughness. This evidently was somebody's Sunday afternoon target gun. Well cared for, nice gun.
Modern $ 3,100.